As an example, the function partition-by: will it work on ClojureScript regardless of it being using java.util.ArrayList?
No, “Clojure” has a distinct and idiomatic implementation for each host (e.g., the JVM). There are a few differences between Clojure and ClojureScript - see https://clojurescript.org/about/differences.
Yes. It looks like in ClojureScript the partition-by implementation uses its own simple implementation of ArrayList, which roughly mimics the interface from Java’s standard library.
To be clear, my “yes” is in reply to the question if partition-by works in ClojureScript, Phill’s “no” to the question if it is a problem that partition-by is implemented using ArrayList in Clojure. I agree with Phill of course.
Thank you all.
While reading the code the word Java ringed a bell to me, for a language that is supposed to be hosted.
What if the code, instead of saying
Java.util.ArrayList would have say
hostSystem.arrays.arrayImplementedWithList or something like that?
In fact, the only difference between Clojure and Clojurescript partition-by implementation is that line abour the array-list. It’s kind of sad.
Why do you consider it kind of sad that there is a tiny difference in the Clojure vs. ClojureScript implementations of partition-by? Because you believe it would be better in some way if they were completely identical?
If they return the same values in most/all situations to users of the partition-by function, is that somehow not good enough?
The “kind of sad” part is to have 2, 3 or N codebase (consider Clojure-CLR) for almost the same thing.
But there are historical reasons for that, as @seancorfield explained. And not only that, there are much more differences than the one the simple case of ‘partition-by’ expose.
I fell like there is a possibility to actually parametrize the sourcecode of Clojure with a HostLanguage adapter, or something.
But I know there is much more I don’t understand, and a lot of specific details to each hosts that probably make this impractical, and that … makes me sad :’( … that is the kind of “sadness” I wanted to express.
I understand a bit of sadness - after all, in this elegant and concise language, it would be only fitting to have a unified codebase!
I‘d like to bring two aspects to your attention, however. First, it wouldn’t make any difference to a user of Clojure, and likely even make understanding core code harder when reading (in case you have an issue in your JVM app, why dig through browser based implementation details?).
Thank you for the insights.
I understand now better. And yes, it is meaningless to the user of Clojure, and in fact, adding one more Indirection would make it harder for them.
Now, digging in the idea (the reader could stop JUST HERE, the rest is just extending and mind loud speaking freely)…
For what you describe, I would see it backwards: Having not 3 but 4 codebases.
Of course, how do you “test” the core?.. probably repeating the tests by combining 4 with 1, 2 and 3? And what about the N platforms?..
Anyway, all this is hypothetical thinking.
Just thank you for the warning on the complexities of the Platforms.
Well it‘s sort of already like this. I don‘t claim to be knowledgeable about this, but there‘s the Clojure core part written in Java, the core part written in Clojure itself (
clojure.core etc.), ClojureScript (which itself comes in a variant that requires Clojure/Java, and one that is ‚self-hosted‘, i.e. it compiles CLJS with a Clojure compiler written in CLJS itself), and the CLR version, which is (I think) something different altogether. So we already have 4-ish codebases (but in practice, it‘s really Clojure or ClojureScript, so far as your choices go, with
.cljc being a convenience format).
Thank you @madbonkey. There is a lot to learn about the Clojure Ecosystem.
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