Apologies if I made it seem like there was any doubt about this! I totally agree from my own experience and definitely make it a point to direct beginners there (:
Perhaps, I need some work on my explanation but what I meant to say was that with my friends and colleagues (who are/were learning Clojure), I too would direct them to the #beginners channel on the Clojurian Slack. But whether it be a Singapore or “Gen Z” culture issue etc, asking questions on online forums is something that is “impossible” for them to do. (In fact, when working on my final year Capstone Project I would often end up asking questions that they were stuck with, on their behalf ><)
I do share similar sentiments with this too!
Not sure if it mainly pertains to a younger, more inexperienced demographic but the kind of problems I’m thinking of are ones where the newcomer is stuck with for hours on end.
And similar to a colleague that ended up disliking Clojure and decided to move to another part of the team not working with Clojure, some might end up concluding that the resources in the Clojure ecosystem are very poor. (For context: I only joined my current company much later after the fact. And I do admit in this case, said individual was “forced” into using Clojure, and is someone who “picked up” Clojure without really reading much materials/a book)
Perhaps my statement was too strong, but I guess I was thinking of a beginner that has already learnt the basics of Clojure, perhaps one that I have helped to guide (1-on-1) in some means or form. The problem then is that I myself being inexperienced, will definitely at some point lack the capabilities to continue to provide help with issues being faced. This being especially true when trying to build something non-trivial and starting to work various Clojure libraries. And thus, if one continues to work with Clojure, it would be ideal to involve oneself with the larger community.
And I completely agree with this. Which is why I asked the question of “is this a demographics we want to try to engage?” Like I do think, that if someone decides not to reach out in the various community channels, there is only so much that we can do.
But I’m just wondering if there are perhaps some other creative means that would help this crowd? And perhaps eventually direct them into the larger community?